I wrote a long response.
Posted it even.

Then after spending sometime with my step-son, helping him make the card board action figures that came with the super hero magazine I bought him yesterday, I decided I have no interest in fighting anyone, here or else where.

RB6, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that you did not mean what your post seemed to indicate.

However, I can only hope you will consider the fact that you do from time to time post offensively misogynistic speculation and story ideas, and do your best, for the good of this board, to curb such tendencies, whether they are intended or not.
(whoa, comma abuse, call the English Police!)

I bid you and anyone reading this a good evening.

Hebime

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The core of the GI Joe fantasy is loyalty. The fantasy isn't about shooting at Cobra,
the fantasy is about 'If I get left behind, Snake Eyes will come and get me.'
-Larry Hama, CHUD Interview

All's fair in the discussion board, Hebime. Remember, a reason for a discussion board is to discuss the merits or lack thereof of an idea.
And given that you yourself would like to see the Joes deal with human trafficking, that's all righ with me-GI Joe could always use a more realistic bent. Remember, its premise was never geared towards kids. Espionage, terrorism, black ops are very serious subjects. maybe GI Joe will best be served by being tagged as a Mature Readers Title like DC's Green Arrow & The Shadow in the 1980s . Why? Because a Mature Readers label-in the words of DC's Green Arrow Editor then would allow us to explore any subject regardless how sensitive. And in another response to a 13 year old regular fan of GA: "I know some 13 year olds who are more grown up than some 20 year olds.
One should never underestimate the intelligence of the readers. Provided the writer is allowed to cut loose and get his ideas across, so long as its true to the characters & premise, it shouldn't be a problem. Howard Chaykon wrote The Scorpio Connection and had Nick Fury play the love game with a female spy; it didn't damage the character or the story.
I cited From Russia With Love because in the novel, James Bond asks M:"What if I don't live up to her expectations? " M's reply:"Make sure mthat you do!"
And later, while en route to Turkey, 007 muses about his assignment and wonder what his teenage self would think if he ran into teh adult James Bond. Would his younger self agree to the mission which is-in Ian Fleming's words- 'to pimp for England"? That's why a character study of the female Joes asked to do a potentially compromising assignment would make a good story. Whaere would any of them draw the line? That's fascinating.
That's why Rieber was a great Joe writer-as Wizard He gets into the characters' heads and makes you care for them.
Good discussion, Hebime. And a Good night to you, too.See ya online.
Any other thoughtd pro & con are always welcome-no sense running a discussion board if it was all yes-men or no-men.

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I back Hebime's earlier comments in this thread. You can try to justify it all you want, but you're calling for a gimmicky "Special Missions" book that would simply exist to show the gals slumming it up.

When GI Joe returned under the Image banner in 2001, this was the kind of thing I felt that they would have in store for Scarlett. I was pleased when that wasn't the case. I know alot of Thundercats fans are still startled at the Cheetara scenes in "Thundercats: the Return".

There's an obligation to provide a new and different type of story. But there's also an obligation to keep it zipped up.

...and I STILL don't read into Cobra Commander wanting Scarlett in a sexual way from issue 21. I seriously feel that you're fantasizing and putting words into his (CC's) mouth in that case.

To clarify the point of a SE-Scarlett-Stalker vs. human traffickers story, I certainly do not want to see any girls being abused in such a story, nor would I want to see scarlett captured and abused. If you take Mike Carey's latest issue of Crossing Midnight, he touches on the problem of under-age sex in Japan, but doesn't once show a school girl being raped or selling herself.

I would envision page one with the 3 of them walking around Ho Chi Min City scarlet listening to Stalker reminisce, page two a young girl bumps into them begs them for help, and when the Joes hear her sad story roll up their sleeves and light the town on fire putting boot to on the bad guys in the creative and nasty ways only Garth Ennis(who was my choice for such a project) can think of.

As with many comics these days that address real world problems, there should be a 1 page text piece to explain the real problems of human trafficking(which is really just a pretty term for sexual slavery) and information on how readers can help in the real world fight against it.



And Chuck's right, you are absolutly alone on the whole CC in #21 thing.

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Sic vis pacem, para bellum
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The core of the GI Joe fantasy is loyalty. The fantasy isn't about shooting at Cobra,
the fantasy is about 'If I get left behind, Snake Eyes will come and get me.'
-Larry Hama, CHUD Interview

Agreed, and on the whole "Storm Shadow was trying to kiss her" thing, too. Since before I knew who SS was, that's always seemed like a moment of compassion, not plain passion.

agreed, there was nothing going on in #21

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Nothing except a lot of hot ninja-on-ninja action you mean! woooo-hooooo!

Oh, wait, by action I mean SE killing the heck outta those 3 ninja vipers.

heh.

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Sic vis pacem, para bellum
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The core of the GI Joe fantasy is loyalty. The fantasy isn't about shooting at Cobra,
the fantasy is about 'If I get left behind, Snake Eyes will come and get me.'
-Larry Hama, CHUD Interview

On Silent Interlude, you all forgot -or chose to ignore-that Larry Hama implied it in #22. He's the best authority to ask on the matter, and as he co-created GI Joe, his word on the subject is law.
On your trafficking story; I've no problems with having Garth Ennis write it-as DDP isn't under the Comics Code Authority. We may have to filter the language thjough.
The problem will be how to involve GI Joe. What you post is rather cliche-is hin that the Joes are on leave and get dragged into another mess. As GI Joe is an anti-terrorist team, having them involved will be touchy-though it just may fall under the Spec Missions aspect of their charter.
Thjanks for NOT using the MOST obvious ploy: an abused characte ris a friend of one of the Joes.
Nice to involve SE, Shana & Lonzo as they are really close friends. One of my fave scenes is their chat in AE #14. They're tighter pals than the SE/SS stuff. But that's me.
On Scarlett-or any female Joe abused-its a bit too late to get preachy as both the comics and cartoons have shown the female Joes getting roughed up (The MASS Device; Worlds Without End, Cobra's Creatures, GI Joe Spec. Missions #11, etc.)
Its paradoxical that the fans want to see more screen time given to the female Joes, yet balk at the notion of their getting hurt.
In the Marvel run, a female fan was ticked about the Lady J/Zarana tussle from #77, and another fan pointed out that if the female Joes won't be seen in combat with their femme counterparts, then the series should NEVER have had any female Joes or Cobras at all.
The Baroness was created for the comic by Larry and as he said in Toyfare #105, he wanted to 'have babes in there.'
Being politically correct to the point where we wind up getting overcautious is deplorable.
At least you're more open minded than some of the fans.

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"In war, there can be no sustitute for victory."
-General of the Army Douglas MacArthur
"Speak your mind. After all, it's a free country."
-Captain America
"Risk is our business."
-Captain James T. Kirk

No, no, I'm done.

Not letting you draw me back into this useless argument.

One question tho....

Do the snozzberries taste like snozzberries where you are?


And do the oompa-loompas ALWAYS sing?

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Sic vis pacem, para bellum
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The core of the GI Joe fantasy is loyalty. The fantasy isn't about shooting at Cobra,
the fantasy is about 'If I get left behind, Snake Eyes will come and get me.'
-Larry Hama, CHUD Interview

You do realize Herbime was indicating way more than the female Joes being "roughed up" as something he'd object to right?

RIGHT?

I'm gonna have to go with...no on that one. RB6 seems to have completly missed the point.

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Actually, the event sin both silent Interlude as well as in Scarlett Declassified involving Scarlett & the IRA guy are, as Mike noted in the Scarlett Declassified thread over at DDP was 'open to interpretation". And given how dangerous being a spy is, that's fair enough for me. I've no problems if the gals get in trouble in the course of a mission so long as the story is consisitent with their core personas and is written well.

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"In war, there can be no sustitute for victory."
-General of the Army Douglas MacArthur
"Speak your mind. After all, it's a free country."
-Captain America
"Risk is our business."
-Captain James T. Kirk

Argh.

Oh, I get it, based on one line by Destro in issue 22, Cobra Commander has a deep obsession with Scarlett.

Uh huh.. "for your pleasure" always equals "for sexual purposes" and there were no intentions of sarcasm, guilt or frustration on Destro's part. Feel so bad that I didn't pick up on that. Also feel like a complete dolt for reading all the other issues and never finding the subplot about CC's "crush" on Scarlett. So when he was setting up targets of her, he was actually thinking about bedding her. Good to know.

And knowing is half the battle!

edit-removed post: forget it bad joke