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Darth Cujo
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 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:15 pm |
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Rockhammer wrote: I overlooked it for Clone Wars, too. But, I still didn't like it. Don't take me wrong--I'm not critiquing (did I spell that right?) the voice acting, sound mix, script or animation (how fluidly characters move). What I dislike is the drawing style.
This sums up the clone wars cartoon for me pretty well. The animation itself was fantastic, but the drawing style of the characters was hideous. I'd be thrilled if they did a joe cartoon that patterned itself after the clone wars style with better character art/design.
As for Indy, none of those links point to a legit cartoon happening. Character keys are being done for various kinds of characters that I'm pretty sure have never and likely never will be in cartoon format. The Indy adventures comic is a new comic aimed at the kiddies (they're also doing non-kiddie style Indy comics), and that trailer on youtube is some fan's wishful thinking. No indications at all that anyone is actually doing any work on a real indy cartoon. It would be cool to see one, but again, my opinions about the possible joe cartoon would apply.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:27 am |
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Rockhammer
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:05 am |
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Thanks, now I'll have nightmares of both an Indy and a Joe cartoon in that style 
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Sgt Major Haley
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:41 am |
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Thanks for reminding me why I dont watch the Transformers Animated on Cartoon Network.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:22 pm |
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that's kinda cool.
except GungHo, looks like he's about to crap.
wait, those dark spots everywhere, it looks like he just did! 
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:59 pm |
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Sgt Major Haley wrote: Thanks for reminding me why I dont watch the Transformers Animated on Cartoon Network.
I like the new cartoon better then the ones with CGI/2D combination animation. One or the other please. Thank you. 
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Sgt Major Haley
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:13 pm |
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HELLSTROM wrote: Sgt Major Haley wrote: Thanks for reminding me why I dont watch the Transformers Animated on Cartoon Network. I like the new cartoon better then the ones with CGI/2D combination animation. One or the other please. Thank you. You talking about Beast Wars/Beast Machines? BW was awesome and it got me back into Transformers. BM how ever, I found myself not as motivated to get up to watch it when I didnt have to work on weekends. The fight scenes are what I think your talking about in general, right?
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:26 pm |
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Backpack wrote: A while back Jim Meshling did a series of Joes done "Clone Wars Style" I won't be suprised at all if the new toon comes off looking like this. AirbornBlowtorchGung-HoIcebergMutt & JunkyardWild BillOH...NUTS! I hope this is a joke. If they're serious about reviving GI Joe in cartoon form, the Clone War character model sheets are NOT the way to go.
I hope that the new Joe cartoon will use either the character model sheets from the 1980s cartoon, or even that from Sigma Six, but deinitely NOT the catoonish style ala Clone Wars. Take a lesson from Marvel/LGF's Ultimate Avengers where Cap, 'Tasha, Nick, Tony & even teh Hulk looked as they did in the comics-which is to say-like real people withing a superheroic world.
Lessons US Animation can learn & take from Anime' (No! I'm NOT advocating an anime like GI Joe again, just some story/character points a new Joe cartoon can use from our Japanese friends & allies):
1)Keep it serious, most anime-unless targeted for kids or meant to be comedic- have a serious theme, and GI Joe deals with anti-terrorism, espionage, spec ops.
2)Character development & consistency: This is one edge a GI Joe comic has over a cartoon, the Joes/Cobras develop as the series progresses and their core traits are mostly intact. This isn't the case in the 1980s cartoons: in The Synthoid Conspiracy, Scarlett was able to flush out the fake Duke; in Lasers of the Night, she was unaware of the Baroness posing as Lady J when the voice alone should've been a give away?
3)The cartoon should have the viewers THINK: It isn't a burden to write an intelligent script that says something; Star Trek does it consistently. Most anime does, too. Listen to the dialog in series like Ghost in the Shell, ROD The TV, Detective Conan , etc. where the viewer is drawn to the story even more. Ditto in Robotech & StarBlazers.
4)Don't waste the talent & time and budget on a comedic episode, it offers no insight, and just smacks of complacency -its GI Joe: those kids will watch it!
5)Use lore from the comics: The 1990s Batman Cartoon mined its comic roots effectively to bring fans really great stories that are true to Bats' character, the 1980s Joe cartoon never did, a shame as there's plenty of established relationships to use: Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow; Snake Eyes/Scarlett, Duke & Flint, Duke & Roadblock.. insteas we got ad hoc relationships like Alpine & Bazooka. Change that in the new series.
6)Command, Command..in anime, the leaders of either organizations or combat vessels (ie: SDF 1 under Henry Gloval; Space Battleship Yamato under Abraham Avatar) don't just give orders and act macho...we see their thought processes; how they weigh decisions, deal with second thougts. We should see Hawk do that.
7)The enemy is respected: Cobra Commander should be seen as a real leader,enemy or not. He's not the buffoon the 80s cartoon make him to be. He should be in fullcommand of Cobra, not manipulated or played as a fool.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:41 pm |
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The was nothing wrong with the Alpine/Bazooka relationship in the toon. Nor the pairing of Clutch/Breaker, Short Fuze/Steeler and Leatherneck/Wet Suit either.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:11 pm |
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Sgt Major Haley wrote: HELLSTROM wrote: Sgt Major Haley wrote: Thanks for reminding me why I dont watch the Transformers Animated on Cartoon Network. I like the new cartoon better then the ones with CGI/2D combination animation. One or the other please. Thank you. You talking about Beast Wars/Beast Machines? BW was awesome and it got me back into Transformers. BM how ever, I found myself not as motivated to get up to watch it when I didnt have to work on weekends. The fight scenes are what I think your talking about in general, right? BW/BM were GREAT series. (They were done all in CGI.) The cartoons I could not stand were Energon/Cybertron. The robots were done in CGI and the humans in the traditional 2D cell type animation. Make sense now? 
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:23 am |
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I'd definitely say be careful what you wish for. If you didn't like the animation and character designs in Sigma-6, odds are you'll wind up with something closer to Transformers: Animated or (at best) The Spectacular Spider-man.
There really aren't many studios still doing the "old school" animation style of the '80s and '90s anymore. Although one studio has kind of revived it for Marvel's Direct-to-DVD animated films...
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:40 am |
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Flash wrote: I'd definitely say be careful what you wish for. If you didn't like the animation and character designs in Sigma-6, odds are you'll wind up with something closer to Transformers: Animated or (at best) The Spectacular Spider-man.
There really aren't many studios still doing the "old school" animation style of the '80s and '90s anymore. Although one studio has kind of revived it for Marvel's Direct-to-DVD animated films...
Doesn't everything come back in style at some point (Look at those giant sunglasses people are wearing again!)? I think it's about time for old-school animation to come back to the mainstream. 
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:58 pm |
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Rockhammer wrote: Snake Shadow wrote: I couldn't agree more Rockhammer.
But the thought of it does get me excited. But I'm in that camp that if they do it and it looks like a traditional cartoon, which apparently has for the most part gone the way of the Dodo, then I'm on board. If it looks anything like the majority of the crap that comes on Saturday mornings these days, count me out. I guess all the good artists out there these days draw comic books, cause they ain't drawing Saturday morning cartoons, that's for sure. I agree with the spirit of your post, SS. But it's not really a matter of having talented people drawing the cartoon on the cells, it's about the people in charge (producers and designers/developers) picking/drawing the character designs in the traditional style. The animators simply follow these designs--if they are given an 80's style cartoon character design, then that's what they'll draw. Very valid point.
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:43 pm |
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They posted this over at Toynewsi.com, sounds awesome!
Quote: - The panel starts off with Hasbro showing off a 1 minute preview of a new animated G.I.Joe cartoon that will debut next year as web-episodes on Hasbro's G.I.Joe website. These will be about 5 minute episodes and is geared more towards adults then kids. The preview they showed is of Snake-Eyes saving Duke and Roadblock from a Cobra ambush in the jungle. Snake-Eyes is shown actually killing Cobra Soldiers, though the actual killing is off-screen you know those soldiers are dead
- The cartoon is titled "G.I.Joe Resolute and is produced by Sam Register, Written by Warren Ellis, Directed by Joaqui, Dos Santos and lead animation is by David Johnson.
- We can expect to see classic vehicles like the Flagg and have gone all out on the animation.
- Charlie Evans is doing the voice of Cobra Commander. He did the voice of Low Light in the original G.I.Joe cartoon.
- There are ten 5 minute segments with one 10 minute finale. They hope to then eventually show it in full on someplace like Cartoon Network or DVD's.
- Dan Norton is one of the background artists for this series. They showed art of the Flagg morgue, the U.N., and The G.I.Joe situation room.
- They use real life equipment like a stratellite.
- The Flagg has a more updated look. The bridge is round and the whole design is sleeker.
- They have new Jetpacks. You can go to youtube and look up something called jetpack man and see something that looks like the ones the Joe's will use. The Skystriker is based on an YF-22 now
- They tried to keep the color schemes from the classic characters for each of the characters. They showed Duke, Gung-Ho (chest is covered), Lady Jaye with a hat, Scatlett, Tunnel Rat, Storm Shadow who looks like a combination of V1 and V2.
- We could see something similar for other Hasbro brands like Transformers.
- Lady Jaye will be kind of like Starbuck from the new BSG.
- Destro, Baroness, Cobra Commander among others will be characters we see. Cobra Commander is serious and ruthless in this series. He kills a baby seal in the first episode.
- Characters could die in this series.
- There will be little to no blood shown, essentially this cartoon will be rated PG-13.
- This series will debut in the 1st qrt of 2009.
- The episodes are somewhat self-contained with an overall story-arc that goes throughout the series.
- There will be some toys based on this series coming in 2009.
- Duke is pretty much in charge of the team and Flint will be the second in command. There is not going to be much focus on behind the desk leaders in this series. What you knew of Duke in the past may not be the same as what this Duke will be. Warren Ellis tried to improve characters where he thought it was needed.
- The guns shoot bullets in this series and not lasers.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:04 am |
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Written by Warren Ellis
8 years ago I would have been very excited over this. Now, not so much.
There are ten 5 minute segments with one 10 minute finale.
5 minute cartoons? It just seems so odd. I know they did it with clones Wars but....Is this the future of cartoons?
Saying Cobra Commander is serious and then saying he kills a baby seal just strikes me as unintentionally funny.
The PG-13ish rating and bullets and possible death sounds promising.
Damn Gungh-Ho's lack of tatoo. Is this because the cartoon G.I.Joe is internationalized also (Gung-Ho is no longer a USMC)?
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